If we get Medicare for All, well, people who are now in the insurance business will need new jobs.

JJ: Media often speak, kind of crudely, about вЂњwinners and losersвЂќ under policy changes, but of course itвЂ™s true that societal shifts have fallout. It sets a federal jobs guarantee for people who want to go to work fighting the climate crisis, and it also provides for what they call living wages, or family-supporting wages, in that jobs guarantee.

ItвЂ™s a framework-itвЂ™s the best framework that we, in labor, have seen in a very long time for advancing workersвЂ™ rights. And that list goes on and on.Д«ut I start there, and then point out that the Green New Deal, this 14-page resolution-and I always stress that, because everybody says, вЂњWell, what are the details? ItвЂ™s short on specifics.вЂќ Yeah, it is. As Sara Nelson talks about-sheвЂ™s the president of the Flight Attendants Union-theyвЂ™re already losing jobs to more and more flights being grounded due to increased turbulence caused by climate change.

And weвЂ™re seeing that, not only in New York, in the aftermath of Sandy, but up and down the entire West Coast, with the budget increases those states have seen to fight forest fires. And weвЂ™ve done studies to show that, but, for a lot of working people, itвЂ™s very obvious.ДЇor example, if you work in the public sector, which a lot of people do, the only way you can negotiate good contracts is if you have healthy state and local budgets those budgets will be decimated by the impact of climate change. One is that climate change is the real job killer, not the answers to climate change. Joe Uehlein: вЂњItвЂ™s the best framework that we, in labor, have seen in a very long time for advancing workersвЂ™ rights.вЂќ WhatвЂ™s your starting point when you talk with people who think this isnвЂ™t laborвЂ™s fight, or workers whose experience suggests theyвЂ™ll get the short end of the stick? JJ: Even before the Green New Deal-which is not legislation, but a resolution, calling for decarbonization of the economy-youвЂ™ve been talking about the impact of climate change on workers, and the role workers and labor could play in what, if we take science seriously, has to be the response. He joins us now from Takoma Park, Maryland. Joe Uehlein is founding president of the Labor Network for Sustainability.

Though that doesnвЂ™t mean there isnвЂ™t room for confusion about what alternative visions could look like-particularly when news media, as in coverage of the Green New Deal, shortchange the role of workers in that vision. Old fissures canвЂ™t be counted on to confuse people about their shared interest in fighting climate change and advancing workersвЂ™ rights. The immediate, cogent pushback to DuffyвЂ™s characterization from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez-who, along with Ed Markey, introduced the Green New Deal-is one indication that things have changed. Opposing environmental concerns with the livelihoods of working-class people has been a tried and true method for dividing people: industry versus industry, the coasts versus the supposed вЂњheartland,вЂќ and dividing people against themselves, as weвЂ™re presumed to have to choose between having clean air to breathe or having a job. Sean Duffy likely thought he was onto a winner when he dismissed the Green New Deal as вЂњelitist,вЂќ the sort of thing that вЂњsounds greatвЂќ if you are вЂњa rich liberal from maybe New York or California.вЂќ

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